Tangelic Talks – Episode 05
The Real Impact of Climate Change on People – Peter Schwartzstein shares How We Fight Back
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In this episode, we spoke with Peter about the complex relationship between climate change and conflict, exploring how environmental stress can either exacerbate existing tensions or serve as a catalyst for cooperation. Peter discussed how the impacts of climate change, such as resource scarcity, migration, and environmental degradation, can contribute to conflict, particularly in fragile regions. However, Peter also emphasized the potential for climate change to drive cooperation, pointing to instances where shared environmental concerns have brought countries and communities together for collaborative solutions.
Defining the Climate-Conflict Nexus
The term “climate-conflict nexus” describes the connection between climate change and various forms of violence, from resource-driven local disputes to large-scale political instability. As Schwartzstein explains, climate change acts as a “threat multiplier,” amplifying existing tensions rather than serving as a sole cause of conflict.
“Climate change isn’t necessarily the trigger,” he notes. “But it weakens governance structures, depletes resources, and erodes traditional coping mechanisms, making communities more vulnerable to violence.”
Real-World Examples of Climate-Driven Conflict
Schwartzstein shares compelling examples from his research, including how ISIS exploited climate-induced agricultural collapse in Iraq and Syria to bolster its ranks. In villages highly dependent on rainfall for farming, prolonged droughts pushed desperate individuals into militant groups, where they saw recruitment as a means of survival.
Similarly, he discusses farmer-herder conflicts in West and Central Africa, where unpredictable rainfall patterns have disrupted migration routes, leading to clashes over land and water resources. These tensions, previously mitigated through traditional negotiation mechanisms, have intensified due to climate-induced stressors.
The Role of Governance in Climate Resilience
Not all climate-affected regions descend into conflict. Schwartzstein emphasizes that governance plays a crucial role in determining outcomes. Countries with strong institutions and responsive disaster management systems can mitigate the effects of climate stress, while fragile states struggle to cope, increasing the risk of violence.
“Good governance is the difference between being affected by climate change and being vulnerable to it,” Schwartzstein explains. When governments invest in climate adaptation, resource management, and conflict resolution, communities can withstand environmental shocks more effectively.
The Hidden Crisis: Climate Change and Gender-Based Violence
A lesser-known yet pressing issue is the link between climate change and gender-based violence. Schwartzstein’s recent research in Greece reveals a disturbing trend: extreme heatwaves correlate with a sharp rise in domestic violence cases. This pattern is echoed in studies across the U.S. and Europe, demonstrating how climate stress impacts social stability in unexpected ways.
Finding Hope Through Environmental Peacebuilding
Despite the dire realities, Schwartzstein highlights success stories of “environmental peacebuilding,” where communities use shared environmental challenges as a basis for cooperation rather than conflict. NGOs and local organizations have facilitated negotiations between farmers and herders in the Sahel, restoring trust and preventing violence through sustainable resource-sharing agreements.
“The most striking thing is how much people actively try to avoid violence,” Schwartzstein notes. “When given the right tools and support, communities often find ways to coexist.”
What Can We Do?
Addressing the climate-conflict nexus requires coordinated action at multiple levels. Schwartzstein suggests:
– Strengthening governance and disaster response systems in vulnerable regions.
– Investing in sustainable agriculture and water management to prevent resource scarcity.
– Supporting local peacebuilding initiatives that foster dialogue and cooperation.
– Recognizing climate change as a public health issue, given its links to stress, violence, and displacement.
Thought Provoking Q&A with Peter Schwartzstein
In my article, I explore the emergence of fake or repurposed NGOs within the environmental space, particularly by authoritarian governments using them for security and strategic purposes. As environmental concerns have gained more attention globally, some states, especially authoritarian ones, have seen the environment as a tool to further their security goals.
For example, I reference an Azerbaijani anti-mining NGO that was deployed by the Azerbaijani state as part of its strategy to take over a disputed territory along the Armenian border. Initially, the involvement seemed subtle, with a degree of deniability, but over time it became clear what was happening. This is a growing trend, where environmental NGOs are being used to serve state security objectives, sometimes under the guise of humanitarian work, such as cleaning rivers or addressing pollution, but with underlying strategic motives.
This issue ties into the broader discussion of the securitization of the climate and environmental space. While it's a sensitive topic, I've observed that in some cases, especially in authoritarian regimes, security actors taking control of climate-related efforts can close the space to other actors and restrict meaningful action. However, in democratic contexts, the involvement of security and military forces has often had a positive effect. For instance, the US military, particularly the Navy, has recognized climate change as a significant threat to its operations and infrastructure and has advocated for stronger climate action, effectively influencing climate policy in the US.
So, while the securitization of the environment poses risks, particularly in authoritarian settings, it can sometimes be the lesser of two evils when urgent climate action is needed. The key lies in balancing security concerns with genuine environmental progress and ensuring that these initiatives do not undermine democratic values or human rights.
When it comes to the role of NGOs, it really depends on the context. In many authoritarian countries, even if these NGOs have the best intentions, there's only so much they can do. For example, in oil-producing, non-democratic countries, NGOs can't openly campaign against oil extraction because that crosses various red lines.
In other cases, NGOs might be able to address climate impacts, but they often lack the funding, influence, or empowerment to make a significant difference. They're often stuck in a tough spot: on one hand, they don’t have the resources to create meaningful change, and on the other, there's a real risk to their safety if they push too far. Many in civil society fear the consequences of overstepping boundaries, which can be anything from jeopardizing their safety to facing much worse outcomes.
In most of the countries I work in, NGOs are generally seen as among the most trusted actors. This is often because they're viewed as the ones actually making a positive impact, especially when it comes to distributing assistance. While this perception isn't always completely accurate, they tend to be the most visible. However, there's also a growing fear, particularly related to these "fake" or repurposed environmental NGOs that I mentioned in the article. The more of this phenomenon we see, the more it risks tainting the perception of all NGOs by association.
A lot of communities in these regions have developed a high degree of cynicism, which is understandable given their long history of unsavory interactions with their governments. So while NGOs might be the most trusted actors in these places, that doesn’t mean they are fully trusted or viewed as entirely benevolent, whether local or international.
NGOs are often welcomed by officials, but not because they are necessarily acting on the government's behalf in any harmful way. They're welcomed because they often do the work that should ideally be carried out by various government ministries—work that is neglected due to insufficient budgets, incompetence, or a lack of interest. So, in many ways, the presence of an NGO or broader civil society can highlight the failure of the state to fulfill its responsibilities.
Peter Schwartzstein
Environmental Journalist, Researcher, and Author

Peter Schwartzstein is an environmental journalist and researcher who reports on water, food security, and particularly the conflict-climate nexus across some 30 countries in the Middle East, Africa, and occasionally further afield. He mostly writes for National Geographic, but his work has also appeared in the New York Times, BBC, Foreign Affairs, and many other outlets. He is a Global Fellow with the Wilson Center’s Environmental Change and Security Program, a TED fellow, and a fellow at the Center for Climate and Security. His first book, ‘The Heat and the Fury: On the Frontlines of Climate Violence,’ was published in September 2024.