Tangelic Talks – Season 03 | Episode 06
Saying Yes to Life — From Soil to Soul: Ecological Harmony & Playfulness w/ Lesley Joy Quilty
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In this conversation with Lesley, we explore what it means to live, lead, and heal in times of ecological and social crisis. Drawing on decades of work across wisdom traditions, leadership development, and therapeutic practice, Lesley shares reflections on resilience, imagination, and the deep interconnection between personal and collective healing. We talk about hope, not as something abstract to search for, but as something grounded in the resilience and beauty of human beings, even in the face of hardship.
From her experience as a clown doctor to her work in breathwork and ancestral healing, Lesley emphasizes the importance of tending to both the body and the heart, alongside the strategies of the mind. She speaks about self-soothing practices rooted in nature, the vital role of imagination in embracing uncertainty, and how moving from head to heart can change the way we show up in the world. Ultimately, this episode is an invitation to consider how we meet the challenges of our time: with courage and tenderness, with imagination and humility, and with a shared commitment to remembering our place in the web of life.
The Art of Clowning: Playfulness as Resistance
One of the first questions raised was about her unexpected role as a clown. For Lesley, clowning is far more than entertainment. It’s an ancient archetype present in Shakespeare’s plays, indigenous practices, and medieval courts—the fool who can speak truth to power through humor.
As a clown doctor, Lesley has worked in hospitals and hospices with children facing life-limiting illnesses. Rather than putting on a show, therapeutic clowning is about meeting children and families where they are, inviting joy, silliness, and tenderness in some of the darkest places.
“Clowning asks us—how can we stay playful even when the world feels like it’s unraveling? How can we orient toward joy instead of despair?”
Clowning, Lesley says, helps activists and changemakers avoid burnout. In a world facing climate collapse and deep uncertainty, play is not frivolous—it’s medicine for the spirit.
Meditation, Presence, and Saying Yes to the Moment
Lesley has over 40 years of meditation practice, grounding her in presence and resilience. She defines meditation simply as:
“Paying attention to what is present in the moment with a kind, curious awareness.”
In a time of information overload, rapid social change, and ecological anxiety, pausing for three conscious breaths can be a radical act of resistance. Meditation teaches us to notice not just external events but also our body’s intelligence—tightness in the gut, contraction in the chest, or warmth in the heart.
This embodied awareness, she explains, is essential for climate resilience: if we don’t know how to ground ourselves, we can’t show up fully for the collective.
Ecological Harmony: Living at Findhorn Eco-village
For nearly 40 years, Lesley has lived in Findhorn Eco-village, one of the world’s oldest intentional communities focused on ecological sustainability and spiritual growth.
At Findhorn, sustainability is holistic. It’s not just about eco-houses and renewable energy, but also about “social technologies”:
- How do communities make decisions together?
- How do individuals flourish while supporting the collective?
- How do we face conflict and difference without fragmenting?
Lesley emphasizes that personal healing and planetary healing are not separate. Living in community means learning to embrace imperfection, work through conflict, and cultivate compassion—skills our world desperately needs for building sustainable futures.
Ancestral Healing and Interbeing
Lesley’s work also touches on ancestral healing, often integrated into her coaching and psychedelic facilitation. She reminds us that we are alive today because of the resilience and survival of those who came before.
“We are the best of our ancestors. Against all odds, we are here.”
But ancestors are not only human—the Earth itself is our ancestor. Plants, animals, water, and soil make up our lineage. Remembering this truth dissolves the illusion of separation from nature.
This worldview echoes the Buddhist teacher Thích Nhất Hạnh’s concept of “interbeing”—a radical interdependence between humans, nature, and all living systems.
Imperfection as a Path to Healing
A recurring theme throughout the conversation was imperfection.
In modern activism, there is a heavy emphasis on urgency, metrics, and being “perfect” environmentalists. Lesley challenges this mindset. She argues that perfectionism creates burnout and reinforces separation.
The clown archetype offers an alternative:
- Mistakes are gifts.
- Vulnerability is truth-telling.
- We’re all making it up as we go.
By embracing imperfection, individuals and movements can find resilience, compassion, and creativity.
Trauma-Informed Practices for Climate Activism
The conversation also explored how trauma-informed approaches can strengthen climate movements.
Lesley, trained as a breathwork facilitator, works with individuals to gently surface and integrate trauma stored in the body. For activists carrying climate grief, rage, or shame, practices like breathwork, meditation, and storytelling can create space for healing.
She emphasizes the importance of community spaces where mistakes are allowed—spaces where grief and rage can be expressed without judgment and then transformed into fuel for meaningful action.
Indigenous Knowledge and Avoiding Extractive Dynamics
Lesley and the hosts also touched on the role of traditional ecological knowledge. Indigenous wisdom has preserved relational and ecological practices at great cost. The challenge for global movements is to learn without appropriating, to engage with humility and reciprocity rather than extraction.
She notes that genuine collaboration requires:
- Willingness to make mistakes and offer apologies.
- Reflection on our own extractive tendencies.
- Creating long-term relationships of trust and respect with Indigenous teachers.
This is not a one-time exchange but an ongoing practice of responsibility and humility.
Hope, Resilience, and the Goodness of Humans
Despite the crises of our time, Lesley remains deeply hopeful. What gives her hope is the resilience and beauty of human beings.
She recalls working as a clown doctor, witnessing families in unimaginable circumstances still finding ways to laugh, connect, and love. These “tiny fires of beauty,” as she calls them, remind her that humans are astonishingly resilient.
“We can face unbelievable hardship and still flourish again. Whatever’s coming—we’ll figure it out, if we do it together.”
Her teacher Joanna Macy, a pioneer in eco-philosophy, once said:
“If we’re going down, I’m going down dancing.”
For Lesley, this is the essence of ecological harmony—to face uncertainty with play, compassion, and courage.
Thought Provoking Q&A Session with Lesley Joy Quilt
Honestly, it doesn’t make me panic — it actually lifts me up. A lot of people we talk to are either exhausted from being deep inside the green space (“we’ve tried everything”) or they’re desperately searching for hope in things they read. It feels like they’re hunting for hope instead of having something solid that grounds them.
For me, it’s the simple goodness and beauty of human beings. We’re astonishing — we can face unbelievable hardship, grief, devastation, and still come through it, flourish, and give even more to others. That resilience is incredible.
I work as a clown doctor, so I see it all the time: people in situations where they could understandably fall apart, and instead they keep it together. They stay connected to what matters, create tiny moments of beauty, and fan those little fires. That everyday resilience gives me hope. If we hold on to the sense that we’re in this together — that I depend on you and you depend on me — we’ll figure it out.
One of my root teachers, Joanna Macy, just passed away about a week ago. She was such an extraordinary teacher—both a Buddhist and a systems theorist. She created a body of work now known as The Work That Reconnects, which is specifically designed to give activists and people on the frontlines tools for resilience. It provides spaces to feel our grief, our rage, and our shame—so that these emotions can activate us rather than shut us down.
She would often say, “If we’re going down, I’m going down dancing.” I think of that often. We don’t know exactly what version of doomsday we’re heading toward—we only know that things are getting worse, and that the great unraveling is proceeding at a pace few could have imagined, except perhaps those studying the data.
So the question becomes: how do we live, even in the face of the worst possibilities? That’s what I tried to address in my TED Talk—how do we say yes to what we most fear? To the things we desperately want to push away, ignore, or deny? How do we receive them as teachers—as Mary Oliver once wrote, even as “a box of darkness” that arrives wrapped as a gift?
I’m working as a breathwork facilitator, with a very trauma-informed approach. Sometimes I use breathwork before a psychedelic ceremony, and sometimes it’s a standalone practice. Either way, the aim is to give clients an opportunity to touch into what they’re carrying in their bodies—the things under the surface that might show up as symptoms, or as overwhelming outbursts of emotion.
The question is: how can we give these experiences space, and learn to meet the edges of them without being plunged into the middle—without becoming disabled or overwhelmed? Breathwork helps us notice the triggers and signals, and slowly build the capacity to nurture and soothe ourselves as we face what’s really difficult. That might be personal trauma, or it might be collective trauma—like climate grief. In my experience, the boundary between the two is fluid. We move back and forth between personal and collective all the time, because they’re deeply interconnected and imprinted on one another.
Self-soothing plays a big role here. A lot of people confuse self-soothing with escapism. But to me, healthy self-soothing means reconnecting in ways that bring perspective and grounding. My go-to is nature. Going outside, touching the grass, looking at the sky. It always shifts something. When I see growth and decay around me, it reminds me that this cycle is natural: things sprout, they take form, sometimes they flower, and eventually they die. Then they become compost, and the cycle begins again.
That perspective helps me remember that whatever I’m experiencing is also passing through. Nothing lasts forever—not the thing I’m so caught up in, but also not the good things I’d love to hold onto. Everything moves.
I love the way you added that at the end of the question. Is it just a vibe? Well, vibe is everything. It’s the atmosphere, the attitude we experience and then carry out into the world.
In the Lakota tradition, there’s a saying that the longest journey a human will ever take is the journey from the head to the heart. If we can make that journey—if we can include what the heart knows, and bring it together with the data—then we’re truly resourced. The mind isn’t a mistake; having loads of data and strategies is essential. We need to think about where we are and where we’re going. But if we leave out the heart and the body, then we’re lost. We’re not receiving all the resourcing available to us.
Sometimes I explain it to organizations or CEOs this way: you’ve got extra budget lines you’re not aware of. There’s a whole pot of resources available that you’re not accessing. That’s what the intelligence of the body offers—it’s constantly signaling when you’re aligned, when you’re off course, what feels good, what doesn’t. And the emotional realm is the same. It’s not separate from who we are—it’s part of our full intelligence.
You have to start by trying—by getting in tune with yourself first. And that means engaging your imagination, and being willing to not know, because imagination is about traveling into the unknown. It requires trusting that process, even though uncertainty can feel very uncomfortable.
Coming back to ecological harmony, there’s a critical question here: How can movements integrate traditional ecological knowledge or Indigenous knowledge without replicating the extractive dynamics of the past? What does genuine reciprocity look like in these collaborations?
I was just having a big conversation about this with a friend a couple of days ago. How do we benefit from wisdom traditions that have been protected at huge cost—without culturally appropriating or cherry-picking the parts we like? How do we get past the extractive mentality that our culture constantly reinforces?
It’s radical not to extract. It’s a lifelong practice to recognize how extraction operates in me: When does that energy get triggered? What circumstances wake it up? And do I have the tools to rein it in, to reflect on it, and to take responsibility when I get it wrong? That’s such a huge part of the work—creating spaces where mistakes are possible, where people can be corrected and try again, and where more respectful ways can emerge.
And we can’t hold back from engaging out of fear of making mistakes or being reprimanded. We have to be willing to be vulnerable and figure it out together. At Findhorn, we’ve hosted many Indigenous teachers and wisdom carriers at events and conferences, and we’ve had deep immersion in what can go wrong and what can go right.
At one conference, for example, on the third day the two facilitators found themselves on their knees in the hall, offering heartfelt apologies with tears. That’s what was required in that moment. Something had happened that didn’t feel good to the Indigenous teachers present, and the facilitators worked to make amends. It wasn’t the whole process, but it was part of it. It was painful, but also healing. Sometimes we absolutely have to humble ourselves in the face of our inevitable mistakes, as part of learning how to be truly respectful.
Lesley Joy Quilt
Facilitator and Guide of the playful and transformational

For over four decades, Lesley has been walking a diverse path of creative expression, healing, and leadership. Her work weaves together wisdom traditions from North and South America and the Far East, grounded in practices of courage, tenderness, and deep presence. She invites individuals and groups to meet themselves fully—in all their complexity—and to take the next aligned step with humility, humour, and heart. Lesley’s experience spans psychedelic preparation and integration, ancestral healing, leadership development, coaching, breathwork, meditation, public speaking, group facilitation, and clowning. At the center of her practice is the ancient framework of the Four Directions—a living map of balance and wholeness that guides healing and growth through life’s cycles.
She is a Senior Associate with Olivier Mythodrama Associates, delivering leadership programs and executive coaching worldwide, and has served as Lead Facilitator with the Synthesis Institute Retreat Team, supporting hundreds of participants in legal psychedelic retreats in the Netherlands. She has also taught and mentored students in Synthesis’ 13-month Psychedelic Practitioner Training. Rooted in the Findhorn Community in Scotland—an international eco-village and spiritual community—Lesley has trained in a wide range of modalities, including Family and Organisational Constellations, Archetypal Psychology, Process Oriented Psychology, Internal Family Systems, Conscious Connected Breathwork, and Joanna Macy’s Work that Reconnects. Her Buddhist-based Insight meditation practice spans more than 40 years, with ongoing retreats and daily commitment, and she integrates mindfulness teaching into all her one-to-one work.
Lesley’s journey has also included 15 years as a therapeutic clown in children’s hospitals and hospices, where she learned profound lessons in resilience and joy from some of her most courageous teachers. Her TEDx talk, which has reached over 14,000 viewers, shares part of this story. Across continents, stages, meditation halls, ceremonies, boardrooms, and classrooms, Lesley’s work is animated by one discovery: we are all on an adventure of remembering who we truly are, what we serve, and how we belong to one another.